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I want to welcome our audience to this
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learned podcast it is in these podcasts
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that learn wants you to meet experts
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that can help you in your work as school
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leaders or perhaps Partners in the
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education landscape the topic for the
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podcast is technology tools and our
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guest is CEO for True North consulting
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company Russ Johnson
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on the learn website you will find on
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the research page under the Coe of
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safety and the element of Technology
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tools research in this area being
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discussed along with the potential
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resources to access
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Russ I want to welcome you to the learn
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podcast it's good to have you here to
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speak with us about this important topic
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I know that you have an extensive
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research and work background in the area
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of Technology tools would you please
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share with the audience some of that
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background and experience
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sure sure and first off thank you for uh
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for having me on this podcast uh excited
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to be a part of this and excited to be
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here uh you know as as you know
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um Dr V for me school safety is both
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personal and professional
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um and and I'll be as brief as I can but
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you know I'm married to an elementary
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school principal a lifelong educator uh
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between us we've got seven daughters
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that have all gone through uh public
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education we've got one left to leave
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the nest
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um and so you know in the Johnson
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household public education really is is
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the center of of uh you know kind of our
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world I said on the the school board for
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our hometown District
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um and so school safety as it should be
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for all of us it really is personal uh
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professionally speaking you know I I'm
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on my uh I'm CEO for children Consulting
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Group but prior to doing this I owned a
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local Regional technology integrator and
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uh worked with hundreds of school
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districts around Texas and
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um you know really focused on trying to
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help districts make good technology
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decisions and you know I'm kind of the
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old guy in the room when it comes to
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technology uh but you know as as you
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start to
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um as you work in this industry for a
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long time you start to see these other
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priorities as you kind of mature on your
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own professional journey and about 10
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years ago uh you know I realized that
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there are plenty of places districts can
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go if they just want to buy you know a
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bunch of cameras but there are very few
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places for districts to really tap
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someone on the shoulder and say you know
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help us make sure that we're doing this
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right that we're making good decisions
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that we're thinking along the lines of
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more than just how many cameras do I
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need uh you know and so you know the
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realization
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um you know kind of sparked that idea
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about 10 years ago and and that's how
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true north was born
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um and you know and for us it's it's not
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these aren't technology problems these
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are people problems these or operational
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problems implementation problems funding
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problems even and Technology absolutely
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can help but we have to first understand
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the problem and develop ideas and really
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align these decisions with you know a
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long-range strategy right and and of
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course you have a great deal of
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experience in that and you've just
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expressed some of that and and you also
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kind of segued into my question quite
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nicely and that is you know there's a
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ton of research out there some of it's
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hard to follow as as uh District leaders
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but there's a lot out there we can't
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cover it all in this podcast today but
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I'd like you to share with the audience
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some kind of key takeaways about the
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research that's out there you kind of
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touched a little bit on it in the
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introduction but touch a little bit on
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those key points that you think are
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really important for district leaders
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and perhaps Partners to understand
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yeah so
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um school safety is a is a complex
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problem
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um and you know I I like to share with
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uh School leaders and superintendents
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that you know unfortunately this is not
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one of those problems that you can just
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buy your way out of it
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um like I said earlier you know it's a
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it's a people problem
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um you know it's interesting
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um we can put in the best access control
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system in the world and a simple stick
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or a rock uh you know can bypass those
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Investments
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um I also like to remind people that you
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know no two campuses are or facilities
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are the same even if you've got even for
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those fast growth districts where you're
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building multiple elementary schools and
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maybe it's the same footprint we've got
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to be mindful of you know there's
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different students in the school there's
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different staff in the school it's in a
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different neighborhood it's surrounded
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by different environments and so we
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can't just copy paste rinse and repeat
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uh what we're doing at one school
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um also before we're spending money and
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I kind of mentioned this we really need
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to make sure that we identify and
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clearly understand what the problems are
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at that campus and I know there's a lot
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of pressure on on school districts and
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on superintendents especially after an
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event occurs because the the expectation
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is what are you doing about this what
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are you doing to prevent this from
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happening to us and so we've got to
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temper those pressures and not let not
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let it change our strategy of being
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purposeful and intentional with the
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decision-making
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um you know that's occurring and it's
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it's not something that's just overnight
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it does take time and it does cost a lot
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of money but effective security is
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balanced across three domains you've got
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the human factor you've got the physical
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measures and you've got the security
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Technologies and usually what we see is
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that the security Technologies and the
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physical measures you know I can will
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pass a bond and I can remedy those maybe
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not quickly but I can I can create an
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opportunity to remedy those that human
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factor that's the toughest messiest most
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complex element of this and so when you
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look at like a Venn diagram that's
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usually the smallest piece that gets
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emphasized because it's the whole artist
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right right so so in that research as
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you look at that I'm certain you're
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going to talk to this in a second
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I guess districts tend to ignore that
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part of the research and focus on those
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technology tools because that's concrete
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and it's easy to communicate to their
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public
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um what does a what does your experience
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in the research tell us about that human
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piece what is it that is involved there
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yeah so you know it's interesting
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um there's all sorts of research out
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there and all sorts of Statistics out
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there
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um and as you know you can find uh you
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can find a statistic to to prove just
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about anything that you want to prove
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but what I think is is Undisputed is the
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fact that when there is an active
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shooter event that uh 70 of the time
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um you know upwards to 80 of the time
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these were
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um
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you know it's it's hard to say this well
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thought out plans I mean it's almost
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like a paradox to say that but these
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were organized and they were thought out
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and they were planned and oftentimes
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these were even communicated and
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research also shows that
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um leading up to the event
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um you know that there's four or five
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different indicators that something's
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not right with with this individual and
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so research shows us that we can get in
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front of this or we have an opportunity
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uh to intervene in those situations
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where someone's struggling or someone's
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um you know going through a different a
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difficult time but again that's that's
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the messiest part but that's the part
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that we really have to invest more in
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alongside the the you know the cameras
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and the doors and the the mass
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notification and panic buttons and all
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those things we just have to make sure
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that we get this thing unbalanced right
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that makes good sense and you know in
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your experience as you try to engage
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districts in this work there are both
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impediments to the work you know that
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are always going to be their barriers to
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the work but there's also opportunities
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positives what would you say the
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positives are that uh superintendent or
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the district team can communicate
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internally and externally to work as
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they move forward to try to make their
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campuses more secure especially in the
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context of this human piece you're
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talking about
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sure so so first and foremost
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um and and I always refer to
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um you know kind of that Bond program
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um and the preparation that leads up to
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that because so many districts have been
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through this
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um and so just like you would bring in
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an architect uh um you know or or some
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other organization to do a facility
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study we need to be taking that same
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approach when it comes to school safety
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and bringing in someone that can help
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measure where we are today
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um figure out where it is that you know
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we're trying to get to
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um and what it's going to cost and what
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it's going to take to get there and help
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create an organized aligned security
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plan with that coincides with you know
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construction coincides with growth or
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maybe it stands alone for some districts
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that that's where they need to invest
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the most
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um but you know the stakes are too high
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for us to not look at this problem uh
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holistically
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um and so again Step One is you've got
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to figure out where you are and you
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cannot focus on you know just the
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facility or just the technology even
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though you can't pass a bond and maybe
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use those dollars for the human factor I
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can pass a bond and remedy those Capital
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expenses so that I free up mno to pour
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into that that human factor
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but again it's it's
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get a starting point you know where you
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are when you're at the starting line and
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you know Russ it occurs to me that
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creates a lot of transparency
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um with your community and with your
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internal your internal your external
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Community excuse me and your internal as
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well it creates that transparency that's
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a wonderful opportunity frankly it
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engages your community and TR and trusts
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with you more now even as you do that
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though there are barriers
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um and what have you seen in your
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experience that those implementation
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barriers are that District leaders need
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to be aware of as they go into work
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around Safety and Security
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yeah and so I want to answer that but
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um I'm afraid I may not have answered or
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addressed that community Community piece
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and it just dawned on me so you know I
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was on Facebook scrolling one morning
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and noticed that someone
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um you know had taken a picture of a
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door that had a chair on it that was
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propped open because we know that you
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know during drop off you know it it's
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they're like ants they they go in you
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know every every hole that they can find
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right and who knows who put that who put
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that chair there
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um but when I saw it on Facebook and I
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have to temper uh my responses but what
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I wanted to say is rather than take a
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picture why don't we as as parents as
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neighbors as community members we have
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got to plug in and connect more with our
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schools and if you see that sort of
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thing happening we need to be stepping
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up and offering our time and our
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resources during during those drop-off
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pickup times uh you know joining
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Watchdog type programs because this is
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not a school problem this is a community
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problem this is a societal problem and
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it's going to take people outside of the
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world of Education to connect and engage
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to help solve this because we have got
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to be uh this this has got to be a team
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sport effort so going back to the the
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the question that you asked though uh
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you know when you're talking about those
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barriers
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the the one especially on the heels of
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uh you know an incident like like Rob
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um you know that that expectation that's
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placed on the superintendent and the
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school board and those uh the leaders
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and and not even just from our community
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I mean we've seen the state you know the
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state got you know really active and I
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mean we saw some things come down from
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the state and we know that there's going
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to be more coming down from the state
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and so
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we can't just take what limited
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resources we have because we've got to
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you know have a headline that says local
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school district you know hires 10 sros
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you know or local school district you
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know puts in metal detectors
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um that's good stuff but we've got to
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resist the pressure and the temptation
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to Short change the process
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um the other thing that we have to avoid
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is knowing that the other big challenges
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are those human behaviors you know from
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and I've been that parent you know I'll
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work in K-12 and sometimes I'll show up
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at my kids school and it's like oh I'm
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safe because I work in this industry so
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you should let me roam the Halls uh or I
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shouldn't have to have a sticker on
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because you know me and so we we really
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have to start adjusting that mindset
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um to where I have to follow the same
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process as someone that you know has
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only been living in the community for a
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day we also have to establish publish
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um you know these behavioral changes
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even with students I mean we we ingrain
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into our kids
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um you know how to be respectful
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um young adults to adults and so I've
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had students see me standing outside the
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door open the door to let me in
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um you know and we've we've seen
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teachers
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um out of necessity break protocol uh by
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propping open doors because the protocol
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doesn't fit the workflow and so it's a
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false sense of security if we create a
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protocol but it doesn't work because if
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that process doesn't work for a teacher
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or any human they're going to work
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around the system and so again going
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back to every school is unique we've got
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to make sure that whatever school safety
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plan and protocols and processes we
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established for a school that it's
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workable we need to be listening to our
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teachers and find out you know are we
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doing something that's not not workable
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so that we're not encouraging that sort
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of thing you know and then the last
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thing is is the cost and this is where
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the community plays a large role in this
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because we can pass a bond and
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drastically improve two of the three
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areas that we need to improve in and so
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we've got to be engaging the community
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and I know it's hard but I know parents
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are busy but somehow we've got to figure
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out how do we reach them what's the hook
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how do we evangelize the needs that we
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have so that you know parents and
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community members are lining up at the
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polls to vote Yes to pass a bond because
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that's the only way that in a short
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amount of time we can make the most
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amount of improvements it takes money
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and it takes a lot of money and a lot of
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schools in the state of Texas are old
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yeah they are and you've worked in those
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schools and I I'd like to segue the next
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question with that it's like I if you
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wouldn't mind highlight some districts
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that are doing really remarkable work in
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the this area and perhaps share with the
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audience how this has impacted those
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schools
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sure
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um and so I know that for every school
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district across the states school safety
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is a priority
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um and schools care and before Rob they
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cared before Sandy Hook they cared and
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so I want to make sure to dispel that
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um you know especially since we're
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having all these conversations that the
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only reason we're having all these
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conversations is because of what
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happened we've always been talking about
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this but we also know that we've got to
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pull the curtains back a little bit and
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be more forthright
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um and more engaging in our
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conversations with various stakeholders
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and so you know after prefacing that
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there's
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um uh you know one District comes to
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mind Royce City ISD
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um you know uh they are Mr worthy the
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superintendent there
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um you know and and from his board to
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his cabinet to his teachers you know
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they've created this this culture of
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relationships they're they are a
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capturing kids Hearts District
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um and so you know this flies maybe in
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the face of what we may think of as
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school safety but it really is
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foundational because we have to reach
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these kids we have to reach our staff
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and we've got to pour into them you know
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most of the uh
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um
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School violent
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um incidents that happens you know these
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aren't people coming from you know
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across the state to inflict harm these
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are these are kids or adults in our
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community and so we first have to show
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that that we care about them then we
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love them and and I think Roy City is
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one of those districts that really gets
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that well
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um but also from a partnership
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perspective you know and Mr Worthy man
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I've heard him speak about this on a
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number of occasions
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um but building relationships with city
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managers and with the Mayors his
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district is in two different cities but
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also
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um putting things into places that
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encourages a local PD to want to be at
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the school they've got dedicated parking
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spaces right up front they've got an
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office area that is set aside for police
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officers all from coffee off her own
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food they can come and eat at the
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schools they invite them to school
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events they're trying to create this
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environment where
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um you know law enforcement thinks first
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of Roy City Schools when they're looking
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for a place to go or a place to land and
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you know we can't stress that that
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relationship and that level of
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partnership that we've got to have
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outside of the district to churches and
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law enforcement and cities and other
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agencies because again it's a team sport
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and then bring deeply uh I'll mention
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Carrollton Farmers Branch
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um so when when uh when they're new at
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Superintendent at the time Dr Chapman
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um you know uh came into Carrollton
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Farmers Branch uh you know he was very
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pointed in that you know at the time
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they didn't have a police department and
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so he wanted to create a police
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department but he knew that before we
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started making these big changes that
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again we really need to figure out is
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that the right thing to do as step one
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and so he was one of those
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um or they were one of those districts
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that did this holistic comprehensive
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security risk assessment
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um you know which gave them this road
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map and said all right well we need to
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do some of these other things first
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um but one of the things that has kind
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of continued you know over the various
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uh years and bonds uh you know since
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this first began uh their their chief
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operations officer Malcolm you know he's
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really carried that torch and I love
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hearing him when he talks about okay so
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if we have to buy a portable for growth
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or for capacity we're going to put the
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same level of safeguards and protections
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into a portable as we do a brand new
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high school that we build because this
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is a non-negotiable for us and if we
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don't want to have a portable or we
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don't want to invest in that portable
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then we need to invest in you know
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expanding our schools or building new
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schools and so just you know I really
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respect digging your heels in and not
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compromising on security just because
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you have to have a temporary solution
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right well thank you for sharing that
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and those are two good districts if any
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partner is interesting in talking to
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those superintendents I know they'd be
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more than happy to talk to them or to
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others but if a district or partner were
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interested in exploring more in this
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work how would they go about contacting
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you specifically Russ
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sure so
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um you know part of our job is is to
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help you know spread the gospel so to
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speak so you can check us out on our
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website tncg.com Google True North
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Consulting Group
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um you know Google Russ Johnson you can
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you can track me down easily
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um but uh my email address is
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rust.johnson tncg.com
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um but I promise pop me into Google
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you'll you'll you'll find me and and I'd
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love to have conversations
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um with anyone that's interested and
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willing to listen to me all right well
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thank you Russ for being a part of the
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important work of supporting our
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students in schools and thank you for
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participating in a learn podcast
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thank you for having me thanks Dr
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absolutely bye-bye
