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I want to welcome our audience to this
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learn podcast it is in these podcasts
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that learn wants you to meet experts
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that can help you in your work as school
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leaders or perhaps Partners in the
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education landscape the topic for this
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podcast is school security and our guest
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is Aaron Roth principal over Federal
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strategy and security at the cherof
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group you will find on the learn website
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on the re under the research page under
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the Coe of safety and the element of
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Technology tools research in this area
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being discussed along along with
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potential resources to access Aaron I
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want to welcome you to the learn podcast
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it is really good to have you here to
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speak with us about this super important
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topic obviously top of mind for school
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leaders across the country now before we
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get into the uh podcast itself I I want
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to ask about your extensive work
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background and uh in the area of
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security systems and just really
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encourage you to please share with the
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audience that that experience because
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you have a wealth of experience here
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that really uh caught my attention
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well that's great David and I really
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appreciate you having me on and uh like
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you said this is a critical topic I mean
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when you think about safety issues
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domestically here in the United States I
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mean for that matter globally I mean you
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know what higher prize is there in terms
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of precious resources than our kids
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right right um and so protecting them
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and thinking about their safety at
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school I mean it's unfortunate that we
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have to um but as we've seen over the
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years some tragedy can you know strike
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schools and it definitely is something
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that I know from a cherof group
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perspective and certainly secretary
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cherof who was you know uh Secretary of
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Homeland Security it's top of mine for
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him as well so when we think about
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security and safety there's there's not
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many things more important than thinking
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about school systems and making sure our
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kids are safe while they're there right
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and so you've been engaged in in in
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obviously a lot of Crisis management
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planning in your career you were milit
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Ary individual would you share with the
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audience some of that experience sure
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absolutely I I started you know back in
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the early 90s uh I went to the coir
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academy and graduated and ended up uh
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most of the N you know the 90s or so
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participating in law enforcement
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operations in the Caribbean um I did
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quite a bit of Drug law enforcement um a
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lot of human smuggling operations those
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sorts of things I tell people you know I
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was at all the islands in the Caribbean
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but not for vacation purposes um so I I
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got to see a lot of cool stuff but not
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necessarily the way in which you know
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most people would like to see the
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Caribbean islands but I spent you know
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most of the decade down there um you
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know obviously seeing a lot seeing the
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tragedy of uh you know violence created
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by drug trafficking and human
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trafficking and and just you know the
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overall situation in terms of movement
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of mostly cocaine from South America uh
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into Central America Mexico and and
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United States um and you know just the
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the complete you know sort of violence
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that is all around uh drug smuggling I
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saw firsthand um and that was really eye
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openening I mean it was a great Mission
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I really believed in it um but it taught
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me a lot about you know the importance
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when you think about school systems down
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in Central America I mean you know part
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of the problem for what we see on the
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Southwest border is the violence that
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occurs in those countries and just you
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know parents trying to get their kids
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out of that violence right right I'm
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certainly not advocating you know going
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to the Southwest border but you you saw
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firsthand you know the level of violence
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created by drug trafficking and so after
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the 90s um of course 911 happened and I
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was able to transition from the early
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2000s to about 2012 or so um into more
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of a counterterrorism uhel of effort um
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we just happen to be sort of right place
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right time as an organization to be able
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to work alongside um the uh warcom
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Community which is a special operations
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entity um and sort of provide some
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backfill and support uh our units were
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working overseas in the Middle East
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North Africa um throughout that time and
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you know really sort of sharpen the pin
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so to speak when it comes to all right
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I've done sort of the drug law
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enforcement side of things now I've seen
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the counterterrorism side of things and
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you know again um you just seeing
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firsthand uh the impact associated with
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terrorism uh and the challenge and
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violence that that brings and then uh
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spent a year at uh the uh Center um csis
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which is the center for International
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Security it's a think tank here in
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Washington DC um and then I was able to
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be um on Paul zov who was a common on
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the Coast Guard his St as his advisor
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and I did that for three years before
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retiring um and you know making the
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decision that a lot of parents have to
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where I didn't want to move anymore so I
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ended up retiring you know for the
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benefit of my kids to be able to stay in
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high school um and then the former Vice
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comment out of the Coast Guard Peter
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neffinger was at TSA at a Transportation
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Security Administration and so he uh
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pulled me over there and I was able to
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uh be an executive there in operation
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support and helping leading lead that
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Organization for three years and then
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four years ago almost I I spent my time
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uh here at the chof group uh where we do
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uh any number of things but you know one
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of the primary focus areas for us is
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security risk management work and
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focused on the private sector and also
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you know government entities like school
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systems yeah and so that's what you know
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when when we got the opportunity to
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connect a few months back it was just so
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exciting to to hear the The Passion of
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cherto group for engaging and supporting
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school districts you know because you
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guys are large government contracts
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large commercial contracts and um we're
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a very different kind of entity very you
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know segmented in not just by States but
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by locals within States so it's a little
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different kind of Adventure and you know
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the conversations we've had it it's
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clear that you have a heart for and the
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secretary has a heart for really coming
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in and and helping school districts with
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this landscape but also advocating for
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school districts at the state level and
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and uh um perhaps at the local level as
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well in terms of ways in which they can
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uh start looking at security and I know
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we we often think about the physical
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security and we're going to talk about
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that today but also the Cyber and AI
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space and you know as as we look at the
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current threat landscape I'd just like
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you to share with the audience what kind
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of your feel is about what we need to be
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aware of both from the physical space
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but also that cyber and AI space
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absolutely and you know one of the thing
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that sort of blood's word right in
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security right now is converge security
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challenges right um and I'll talk a
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little bit about that I I think you know
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sort of at the geopolitical level
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globally I mean you know it doesn't take
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much past the front page of the
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newspaper to see all the security
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challenges we're facing globally um I I
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think most of my career I spent 30 years
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in the department of homel security most
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of my career I look back and I say you
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know at every juncture of my career I
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remember people saying man this is the
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most complex security environment we've
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ever seen and yet we just keep saying
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that right right um and and I do think
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it's true I don't think it's an
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exaggeration I think you know as you
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know we continue moving through our
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lives and as more Technologies develop
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as more tools um as different societal
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changes occur as different Global you
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know competitor sort of relationships
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change
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the environment tends to get only more
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complex and so when you think about
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what's going on in the Middle East right
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now um you think about you know Russia
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and Ukraine you think about China and
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where we are in the relationship with
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them you think about you know the
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challenges of criminality uh globally
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and
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domestically um you think about all of
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the things we've seen domestic you know
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events um you almost can't say anything
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without sort of you know inciting some
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sort of frustration in people these days
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um and so just taken in total between
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sort of global events domestic events
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it's a highly complex environment so why
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is that important to schools and I I I
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think you know
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fundamentally I think schools and it and
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you we always talk about this in the ch
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ch off group and the secretary's fond of
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saying you will never be able to
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eliminate risk all you can do is manage
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it and make make informed decisions
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based upon uh the risks that you see so
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from sort of the executive leadership
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you know perspective of schools or any
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Organization for that matter you know
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the only requirement you have
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fundamentally in sort of doing the right
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thing is making sure that you understand
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what those risks are and how they impact
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you know in this case obviously schools
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yeah um and and you know there's some
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things and I think best practices there
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that we can get into as we go forward
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but you know just the complexity of all
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those global events the domestic events
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we think about what's happening in cyber
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security over the past decade um you
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know almost every device we carry now
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you know brings some threat to us right
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you add social media on top of that and
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it's probably um the secretary was on a
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panel this past week talking about you
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know how social media is used for the
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various purposes so you think about that
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with kids you think about that with
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anybody that's using social media that
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you are a Target in social media um and
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you also have a responsibility to think
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about you know what your risk surface is
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when you're dealing with social media
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and that that can be anything right
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they're trying to get you to buy
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something they're trying to get you to
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you know do something that you otherwise
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may or may not um realize is happening
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um and I'm not here to you know suggest
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that social media is a terrible thing
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it's not it it's incredibly powerful um
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but that power can be used in for
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nefarious purposes and I think we see
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that in in the AI modeling within social
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uh media in in sort of anything that we
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use can push us in a direction that you
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know
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subconsciously uh we may be doing that
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we don't even realize in sort of a
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conscious sense right and so all of that
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plays out day in out and it's no more
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apparent than schools where kids are on
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social media you know more than anyone
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well maybe maybe not even more than the
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adults you know but but it's fascinating
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you use that word complex and you know
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it's I think part of the complexity
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actually is the the um audience at
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school districts
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serve in many cases thinks it may think
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it's not complex like there are very
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simple Solutions and if you just do X it
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will result in y um and in many cases
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that's just not how it works you know
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and I I find the you know U we've dealt
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with school security issues where I've
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been a superintendent obviously I know
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many superintendents who dealt with
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school security issues and you're trying
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to balance that risk against creating an
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environment that's a learning
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environment yeah um and so it becomes
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more complex than just simply you know
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hardening the target is a favorite term
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of many people you just need to make the
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target harder and yet we we want to make
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certain that we're also recognizing
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we're a school district we we we are a
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learning institution we're we're not a
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prison or military complex you know it's
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like this is not who we are so I I find
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you know that word is probably an
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appropriate word and and you know as we
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think about this then and I'm going to
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kind of skip to a question um to
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question three which is you know based
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on your experience then what are some of
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the ways in which a district could
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really manage that risk you know
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especially I'm guessing in communication
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but otherwise some perhaps best
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practices that you think would be
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something that districts would want to
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think about yeah absolutely and I should
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mention this is a bit of a passion issue
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for me as well my oldest daughter is a
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school teacher in North Carolina so uh
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not only have my kids I have four of
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them went through school obviously but
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you know now I have a daughter teaching
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so you know a lot of this hits home with
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me and I certainly appreciate the fact
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that you know you can't make schools
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prisons right um and sort of pull on
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that thread a little bit and say okay
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well what can they do I think you know
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first and foremost when you think about
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change and this is not going to be
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surprising to any of your audience but
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you think about it through the lens of
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people process technology and I always
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add culture into that as well so you
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know if you're a leader in the school
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system I think that's a helpful
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framework for thinking about are we
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doing all we can um across the wrist
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land landscape relative to people
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relative to technology relative to
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processes and relative to culture and
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I'll talk about a few of those things
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the most important thing uh from my
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perspective is um no leader is ever
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going to be um you know criticized
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negatively if they fully considered the
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risk and they made decisions based on
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the complex World they live in on that
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to the best of their ability with the
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most informed inputs as they possibly
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can get where people tend to get in
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trouble is where they haven't examined
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it right and so I I say that
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because you know my recommendation would
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always be as a best practice to have
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some sort of risk committee um and I
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think you know most school systems most
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businesses most organizations understand
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Enterprise risk management and the
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degree to which they have a focus on
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security relative to that construct um I
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think it's incredibly beneficial there
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should be regular conversations around
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Safety and Security and I literally for
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school systems to me they're two sides
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of the same coin you know I think it's
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more appropriate easier to think about
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safety for kids at school than it is
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security but to me as long as you sort
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of have a lexicon that everybody's
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comfortable with you can make the same
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informed decision so number one for me
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would be you know have a group of people
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that are the right folks for your
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particular school system uh regularly
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meeting and talking about Safety and
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Security related
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issues that would be number one and then
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I think once you have that which is kind
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of the people element right you then
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need some process around that you know
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okay well what does it look like you
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know we talk what are the outcomes of
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those conversations and I think you know
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deliberate processes to fully adjudicate
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what you know that group determines to
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be significant relative risk right and
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when we think about risk we think about
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it in sort of three dimensions we think
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about you know the consequence of an
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event and obviously with schools you
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can't get much higher consequence it's
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the kids and the teachers and just sort
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of the you know we see the national you
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know uh impact when this even one school
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gets hit um and so then we think about
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um vulnerability and I think that's
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where the most work can be done uh and
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then lastly we sort of think about the
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threat itself and so as long as you have
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a group of people thinking through those
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three dimensions and then whatever has
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been identified as potential you know
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concern that there's a process for
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thinking through okay what are we going
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to do about it how are we going to
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mitigate it what number one what are the
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possibilities for mitigation and then
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you know given all the limitations that
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exist out there and the complexities
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that exist make an informed decision
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about how to deal with it you know
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objectively right right and then and
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then I think you know you're in a
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position where you've responsibly dealt
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with the risk that you're facing um and
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then that may be that you add some
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technologies that sort of go back to
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that framework right some layer work
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yeah that's right and then you know it's
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always a culture that matters as well
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and instilling a culture within your
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school system of teachers and whatnot
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about how to think about Safety and
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Security so that everybody's kind of
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pulling on the ore together yeah that I
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mean I'm just fascinating Aaron you've
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you've taken the the complexity of this
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and you've really created a concise
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approach to it just a very short amount
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of time I was just sit here going trying
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to pull it all in and it strikes me
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obviously partnering with people um who
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who have expertise is really important
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and that's something that you guys are
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interested in doing is really partnering
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with districts and maybe having these
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convers ation and then bringing other
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potential Partners to the table like we
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have a really great partner with learn
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called true north um Consulting Group
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they do some great stuff and seeing how
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these different entities come together
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to really support our districts in this
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important work you know one of the
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things that I wonder about though is
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kind of a next and I've already made a
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decision because of the nature of this
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conversation Aaron you and I are going
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to have another conversation about Ai
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and information security separate
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because there's just too much here but
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but I think the next question becomes so
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you come out of that security meeting or
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set of meetings however you want to
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describe that you have some clarity
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around this what you know what would be
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your kind of advice if you will on how
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you communicate that to your audience
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now in business obviously you're
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communicating that to your to your
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employees but in the case of schools
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you're communicating that to your public
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do you have some thoughts on that that
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you wouldn't mind sharing yeah it's a
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great question I mean I am uh you know
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completely sympathetic to the fact that
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you know School schs in particular um
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are trying to educate kids but they're
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also dealing with you think about
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concentric circles around that kids in
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the middle you're dealing with you know
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uh political environment you're dealing
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with parents you're dealing with you
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know any number of sort of stakeholders
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uh around that and and that can be
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complex in of itself just trying to
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communicate um clearly and concisely in
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ways that you know people can hear it
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you're never going to please everybody
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that that is for certain right
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right but I think you know one of the
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most I think powerful uh communication
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Tools in my mind um you know I think
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schools are great about inviting parents
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in ptas and all the other things that
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are there for parents to you know
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communicate with school leadership about
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but is describing processes to people
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you know so let's take an incident you
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know that happened to evaldi Texas it's
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tragic you know okay for every other
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school system out there you know what do
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you do after an event like that I mean
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you want to show that you've taken
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action and I think one of the ways is to
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describe your process like hey just so
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you know this is how we manage Safety
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and Security for your kids um and in
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some instances it may be appropriate to
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invite you know Outsiders so to speak
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into those conversations I'm not saying
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all the time you know but maybe there's
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an annual meeting and and I'm sure many
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schools do this and a way head of of you
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know sort of anything that I would
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provide as advice but um inviting people
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into those processes I think can be
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really impactful and again realizing
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you're never going to please everybody
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those are very difficult meetings to
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manage but to the extent you can show
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people what you're doing I think is is
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really important and then when you make
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decisions on let's say mitigations of
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some sort like you're going to put a new
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security system in you've got a new
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protocol with the police police you know
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and local police you know whatever it is
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I think you know taking the time to
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communicate that um does a couple things
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one is it obviously gives uh stakeholder
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Community an opportunity to understand
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you know that you're putting time and
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energy into this because it's an
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important issue and then I think
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secondly and sometimes people don't
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realize when you're overt in public
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about those things it makes you know uh
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others who may have some ill intent in
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mind that can guess you know what
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they're going to do and you'll hear the
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term a lot in security called security
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theater um which effectively means
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you're doing something that may not have
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any real substantive you know sort of uh
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strategy or mitigation behind it but it
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looks like there's something going on
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right and it's often used as you know
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sort of a negative kind of connotation
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but in reality it can be very compelling
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um that just by saying we are doing
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these things it can be enough you know
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the analogy I use is turn your lights on
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in your house at night time because if
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somebody's thinking about doing
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something they're going to go to the
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house that has the lights off right yeah
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that's a little bit of theater but works
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yeah because your house may not be any
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safer but in reality it's created an a
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certain image in that perpetrator's mind
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yeah that makes good sense that makes
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really good sense well Aon you know
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unfortunately our time is really uh
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we've gone over time actually and like I
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said I want more conversation so I'm
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going to tell our audience we're going
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to have another conversation around Ai
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and information security because that's
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also something districts are dealing
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with a lot but if a district or partner
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wanted to explore working with you how
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would they go about contacting you yeah
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I think the easiest way is uh our chup
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group website um CH e r t FF and CH off
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group um we have a website there it's
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it's easy to get in touch with us if
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anyone would like to get in touch with
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me directly um it's as simple as aaron.
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Roth shirt offg group.com and I know uh
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no one will remember that but I'm sure
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we'll have it printed for yeah we'll
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have it taken care of well I want to
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thank you Ain for being a part of this
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important work of supporting our
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students in our schools and I want to
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thank you for your participation in
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learn podcast absolutely pleasure to do
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it thanks for having me
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absolutely
