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I want to welcome our audience to this
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learned podcast it is in these podcasts
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that learn wants you to meet experts
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that can help you and your work as
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school leaders or perhaps Partners in
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the education landscape the topic for
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this podcast is indoor environment
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quality and our guest is Jim trafficking
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chairman of Citadel Sciences on the
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learn website you will find on the
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research page under the Coe of health
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and the element of indoor environment
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quality research in this area being
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discussed today along with potential
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resources to access Jim I want to
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welcome you to the learn podcast it's
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really good to have you here today to
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speak with us about this important topic
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now I know you have an extensive
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research and work background in the area
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of indoor environment quality with a
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30-year plus career in science and
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engineering and Healthcare and Aerospace
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industry you've done significant work in
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helping organizations transform their
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work and more recently in the area of
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air quality would you please share with
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the audience some of that background and
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experience that leads to your expertise
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in this area
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oh yeah for sure David thanks for having
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me on the podcast uh first I want to say
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thank you for your leadership with learn
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and your lifetime of service and
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education you're one of the pioneering
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thought leaders in education and it's an
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honor for me to be here today so I
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really appreciate you my background is
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as you mentioned is an aerospace in
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healthcare and Technology
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um
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uh and a lot in the science
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and transformation of Industries across
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all those domains
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um the idea of clean air for schools
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when you think about uh the future of
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Education one of the things that we know
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clearly is that building design and
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clean air are foundational to The
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Learning Experience there's all kind of
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science behind this a lot of the my
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background and the reason we made this
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pivot if you will into education in a
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particularly clean air comes from my
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experience at the White House
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post 911 I had the contracts to
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modernize The Situation Room at the
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White House and also Air Force One if
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you remember if you saw like the 20th
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anniversary of 9 11 on uh
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on Apple
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they noted that the president wasn't
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connected we didn't have good continuity
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and Communications so that modernization
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um was to protect continuity of
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government and those that were serving
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uh 45 days after 9 11 we had a an
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Anthrax threat and because we put a
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layered approach in technically
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um as I mentioned I had the situation
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room and Air Force One so a constant
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connectivity to the leadership and then
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I had clinical partners that also took
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uh preemptive action in a layered
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approach to protect the health and
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well-being of those that were serving
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when the anthrax threat hit we were able
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to protect those that were in government
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and the function of government in a way
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that really helped inform what we're
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bringing to education and it's a layered
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approach to clean air to help our
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students and teachers perform at their
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best
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yeah and and that's an amazing
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background and experience and I love the
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concept Jen that you shared about
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layered approaching I think too often
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not in education we tend to look at kind
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of One-Shot uh approaches to things and
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we don't think about those kind of
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layered pieces and right and I know
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you've done since you pivoted from that
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work and you're probably still engaging
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at work you're just not going to tell us
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about it but since you uh have pivoted
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towards schools you spend a lot of time
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in researching around indoor air quality
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and how it affects schools and whatnot
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we can't share all of that in the length
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of time we have for this podcast but
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would you share with our audience some
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key insights or information about the
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research that's out there specifically
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focused in air quality imagine being an
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Olympic Athlete and you're training
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you're going to compete against the rest
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of the world you're being tested
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physically and mentally uh and you have
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to perform at your best but then you
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find out you're being constrained in
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terms of your access to oxygen like it's
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obvious that you couldn't be at Peak
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Performance
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and if that's true for athletes it's
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also true for students and teachers and
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we've known for years that clean air
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enhances test scores improves average
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daily attendance lowers the dropout rate
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significantly improves teacher
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performance and retention and even
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lowers the cost of operating a school
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and yet while all this information has
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been known previously the pandemic
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really magnified the impact
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um and yet very little has been done to
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date to remedy this and it's very simple
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and cost effective to do so
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um there is a national assessment of
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Education progress this is the nation's
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report card and it showed how test
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scores were dropping we've done our own
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research and we see that one of the key
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concerns of teachers and parents is
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learning loss due to the pandemic we've
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seen the test scores drop setting The
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Benchmark if you will back 20 years
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where you know 37 percent of fourth
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graders and 30 percent of eighth graders
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could not even reach the basic score
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we're seeing all these consequences of
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the learning environment
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um coming into education and there's a
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whole lot of research that shows we
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could really do something materially to
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change the course in the direction of
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the educational environment
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the other thing that became evident over
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the last couple of years is not only
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significant learning loss but those that
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were in underserved schools suffer the
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most but the students from a high
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poverty uh
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environment
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experienced three times as much learning
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loss in Reading compared to those that
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were in a better setting and so this
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this idea that clean air can be the
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great equalizer and can really make a
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difference in performance both for
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students and teachers is
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known and scientifically validated I'll
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just give you a couple of examples
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um
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the Harvard School of Public Health
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talks about cognition being able to
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increase by 60 to over 100 percent
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just by having better clean air
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another study found that students in
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class classrooms with better air scored
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14 to 50 15 percent higher on standard
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test scores
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we know that um
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uh the EPA says that good physical
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condition uh good air quality can
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improve teacher retention and
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all of these things are are fairly
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simplistic one of the first things you
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assume when you think about putting a
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layered approach to clean air into a
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facility is well our school can't afford
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that
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and David you have done this when you
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were Superintendent at Mesquite it
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literally boils down to about the price
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of a textbook to have clean air
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available for your students and enable
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to create an environment where learning
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and students and teachers can be at
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their best so this is this is very
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affordable and the science behind it is
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very compelling
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right and what struck me is I did this
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work was the the maintenance cost was
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almost nothing and that you're used to
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things having a high maintenance cost to
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them it was remarkably low um to the
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point where it wasn't a concern and with
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a seven to ten year Lifetime on your
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your initial implementation it's really
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a a great great outcome now it's
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interesting to me though you you point
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out a lot of low-hanging fruit and I'm
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just curious as a follow-up question the
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the timeline from the point where a
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district decides they want to go about
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doing this work and actually being able
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to get all the the systems in place to
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to clean that air it's pretty short
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isn't it oh it's really short it's weeks
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this is not this is not um rocket
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science you know I've worked in the in
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the Aerospace industry this is not it
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they're very um proven Technologies very
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affordable and the thing that I love
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about this layered approach um and the
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models that the science gives evidence
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to efficacy and even cost benefit as
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well as performance all the things that
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we just highlighted
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um
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it's very accessible
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this is
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um simple to install
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low maintenance requirement in fact it's
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low to no maintenance over a 10-year
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period this is all due to and you and
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your cost of it the ROI is within the
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first two years with an eight-year tail
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that all that money that you were
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putting out into energy for inefficiency
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for for poor air quality you actually
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get clean air better performance and
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that money that you were spending on
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energy now comes back into your uh
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classrooms
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well you've you've kind of answered my
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next question but I'm going to give you
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a chance just uh you know sure add a
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little if you want to but it's like any
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time you want to implement something new
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into a district that people are not used
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to one of the things you want to be able
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to do is communicate to your internal
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and external Community some of those
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predictable positive outcomes like out
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of the gate before we even do it these
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are some predictable positives if you
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are talking to a district what would be
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maybe three of those things you would
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you know you know accentuate if you will
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for their audiences
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yeah and a couple one other thing I want
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to add to this layered model
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um as part of this answer
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is it's one thing to say that it works
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and when I was in the space Community we
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would take the complexity of networks of
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spacecraft like the GPS satellites and
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we would distill it down so we could
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have a very simplistic interface and you
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would know situational awareness is
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what's going on in space we would even
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do health and safety of spacecraft
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and we we have sensors as part of the
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layered approach so you could see the
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efficacy of this solution and show it to
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your parents show it to your board show
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it to your teachers in fact
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um the Nea cited that there are 600
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000 fewer teachers
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in education
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and of the 10 million that are left over
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half of those are looking to leave
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sooner than they would have otherwise
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and 70 percent of the teachers that are
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working believe that the the air
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environment the internal environment of
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those schools does not protect their
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health those are the facts what we could
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do about it is we know that with clean
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air you get improved average daily
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attendance better student performance
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and better student performance like the
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EPA is cited you need clean air and
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clear messaging
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and uh and part of that clear messaging
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is it's like five students per thousand
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Improvement in Ada
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a lowering an improvement of 13 students
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per thousand in lowering the dropout
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rate
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um teacher retention goes up health of
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the student and staff improves lower
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absenteeism and one of the things we're
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seeing we've never this is an
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unprecedented time for absenteeism
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chronic absenteeism in Detroit public
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schools there were over 76 percent last
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year chronic absenteeism even in wealthy
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States they face a huge problem
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California was looking at uh 30 percent
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chronic absenteeism when it was 12
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before the pandemic people are just
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unsure of the environment and clean air
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the Nea the EPA the FDA all these groups
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have cited if you clean up the air at a
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school you're going to get students
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coming back better performance teacher
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retention and better results that's why
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we're
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in this discipline that's why we've
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pivoted to help make a difference and
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equip the Next Generation for all the
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advantages that America offers and clean
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air is going to be foundational to the
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future of schools which I I love what
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you're doing with learn wow those are
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some really Keen insights thank you Jim
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now you have some experience in this
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area and so you know that for all those
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positive things there are some
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implementation barriers if a district
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wanted to do this what are the things
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they most need to think about in terms
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of overcoming those potential
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implementation barriers yeah I think
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one of the things the EPA cites is it's
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very important if you're going to have
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clean air you need to have clear
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messaging and so I think being able to
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communicate with staff with students
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with parents with the board about what
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these advantages are and the steps the
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preemptive measures that you're going to
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take to create a learning environment
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conducive to all the benefits that we
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just described is probably one of the
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one of the ways to mitigate any
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impediments or concerns that somebody
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might have with taking these steps from
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a technical standpoint honestly it's
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fairly simple to put this in as we
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mentioned this is weeks it's very
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affordable and the results are very
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compelling
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yeah Jim my district I think we had 50
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no 70 plus buildings right and within a
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matter of about six to eight weeks every
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building was was uh fixed with the
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indoor air quality systems that we were
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using so yeah it doesn't take very much
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to do it was surprisingly easy it's just
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a little time consuming but other than
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that it was surprisingly easy and Dave
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one of the things you mentioned uh I
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remember having this conversation was
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that when you finish not only do you
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have clean air but the mold and the
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mildew in places you know you had a
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benefit that went beyond what you even
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expected
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and the board put out a press release
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from Mesquite after you did this citing
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that it was twenty dollars a student to
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have that uh work done the cost of a
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textbook yeah yeah it's really really
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inexpensive and and especially from a
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long-term standpoint really inexpensive
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right now can you share with the
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audience how this work has impacted some
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schools that you've worked with and some
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of the stories you've experienced around
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this yeah you know I'm going to give you
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one which was a super interesting this
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was uh
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there was a K-8 school
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and that fed into a high school and this
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is in Virginia and uh
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the
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the head of the school uh in the high
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school wanted this so we went and put in
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the layered approach and this layered
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approach includes things like
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needlepoint bipolar ionization one of
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the things I love about the layered
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approach as you mentioned there's no
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Silver Bullet to
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um
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creating clean air and and I would do an
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analogy here you know when you jump into
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a swimming pool at a school it's not
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like we just in order to clean the water
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in the pool we don't just have a hose
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running fresh water into the pool that's
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expensive it's not practical what we do
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is treat it so that that water is safe
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and uh environmentally friendly and all
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of those things that's how we treat it
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we can do the same thing with the air
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and bipolar ionization cleans the air
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while we're talking it's mitigating
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pathogens and Airborne risks and while
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we're together not waiting for it just
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to be filtered that's one of the layers
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but while we're talking so they put the
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bipolar ionization in we've used other
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things to clean the air there's a
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technology called a troffer it
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circulates the air cleans it with UV
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light creates airflow where you may have
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not great airflow and then we also have
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sensors the high school that put this in
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didn't have to stop during covid last
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year not didn't have to stop at all
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some of the the feeder School the K-8
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chose not to put it in and had to stop
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uh School multiple times in fact some of
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the kids were in the same families that
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were in the you know k through eight
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versus high school and yet the high
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school never had to shut down the
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efficacy of this is is really
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self-evident and again very affordable
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so I think what's going to happen over
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time we think about the future of school
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kind of work that learn is doing
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at the moment this feels like a luxury
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like boy you know clean air nobody's
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banging on my door to make this a
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necessity because people don't really
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know about it but I am confident that
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the future of education is going to have
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clean air is one of the foundational
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components in the learning environment
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because the results are so compelling
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and the price is so affordable yeah I
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would agree with that now if there is a
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district that's interested in this work
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and wanted to work with you what
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district would you encourage them to go
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look at right now
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um Mesquite would be one
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um you know where you've you've put the
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bipolar ionization in and this
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technology is used all around the
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country the sensors are in for example
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the Denver public schools a lot of
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schools here in Virginia the Atlanta
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Public Schools some in Chicago troffers
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are used in Atlanta the DC public
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schools those are places where you could
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check bipolar ionization there's 150 000
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implementations of this it's used in
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um even places like Johns Hopkins
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Cleveland Clinic Mayo where you've got
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fragile populations and they know that
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clean air is part of health and so they
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put this technology in to help mitigate
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pathogens and improve the well-being of
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not only those that are in a healing
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environment but those that are giving
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care
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so when you think about teachers and the
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need to improve retention when you think
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about enabling our our students and
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staff to perform at their best clean air
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is going to be foundational so I would
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say reach out to Citadel
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um there's you know school districts
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across the country that are using these
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Technologies and we can get you
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connected
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well Jim and if a district partner did
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want to reach out with you how would
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they go about contacting you and
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arranging for a deeper conversation yeah
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you could go to
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citadelsciences.com or else you could
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come through learn and and get connected
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that way with all the research and they
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would be happy to you know direct you to
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us and I would be I would you know
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welcome those conversations wonderful
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well thank you Jim for being a part of
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the important work of supporting our
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students in schools and thank you for
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your participation in this learned
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podcast yeah David thank you for leading
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us and thanks for having me on the
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podcast
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absolutely
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