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I want to welcome our audience to this
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learn podcast it is in these podcasts
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that learn wants you to meet experts
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that can help you in your work as school
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leaders or perhaps Partners in the
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education
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landscape the topic for this podcast is
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outdoor environments with a focus on
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reducing the heat created by surfaces
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and our guests are Jeff Terry vice
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president of corporate social
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responsibility and sustainability and
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Jennifer Keegan senior director of
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building and Roofing science both with
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GF on the learn website you will find on
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the research page under the Coe of
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sustainability and the element of
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outdoor environments research in this
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area being discussed along with
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potential resources to access Jeff and
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Jennifer I want to welcome you to this
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learned podcast it is really good to
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have you here to speak with us about
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this important topic and I know each of
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you has extensive research and and work
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backgrounds in this area specifically
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with roofs and surfaces would you please
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share with the audience some of that
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background and experience and we'll go
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to you first Jeff
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all righty David hey thanks and uh
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appreciate the opportunity to be with
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you here today you know i' I've worked
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in this space of of sustainability and
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and climate impacts for for about 30
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years um focusing on everything from
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root causal impacts to to climate um
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change to to ultimately outcomes
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associated with that and certainly a lot
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of attention focused on extreme heat and
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kind of material imp implications and
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impacts on on extreme heat and
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Jennifer uh so my background's a bit
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different from Jeff which is why we
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compliment each other so nicely uh I
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grew up in the uh building enclosure
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world so I worked on the outside of
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buildings and schools so I'm spent 20
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years as an enclosure consultant and six
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years ago came over to GF and have been
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uh leading the charge with the building
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science team to help uh design community
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and and and owners really figure out the
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best strategies for their their
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buildings nice and so you guys have been
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doing this for about 60 years combined
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um it sounds like and and in that time
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I'm assuming you've worked with a lot of
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districts and and so right I know that
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always shocks you the older we get the
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more we realize man we put a lot of time
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into this work um and so I know you've
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worked with a lot of different districts
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perhaps even corporate organizations um
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so you've done a lot of work around this
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and and and because of that you know the
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research really well um but uh in the
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amount of time we have dedicated to this
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we can't possibly cover all that
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research and and especially in around
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the impact of heat on Outdoor Services
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though I'm really excited to hear about
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the work you've been doing in this space
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so would if you wouldn't mind share some
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of your key insights with the audience
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around the research that's out there so
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really um this will be just a high level
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with some of the the investment that gif
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has made in schools and our communities
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to showcase the power of addressing
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Urban heat islands and elevated
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temperatures and how together uh we can
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improve the quality of lives and so this
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is really important because we want a
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better future for our children we want
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to live in a better world we want to
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leave things better than we found them
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so how do we shorten that runway for
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this next Generation we start them off
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in healthy environments designed to get
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them excited to learn we Inspire them
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and get them connected to the world
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around them and the projects that we're
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going to share with you do just that the
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students are engaged the community is
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engaged and together they created this
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inspired environment to play and learn
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all while improving the environments
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around us and contributing to Healthy
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Lifestyles in their communities and
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there's this ripple effect that extends
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really far beyond just a refreshed
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playground or some ready-made science
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experiments around measuring temperature
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reductions that are possible on pavement
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and rooftops I mean which are really
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interesting but it's so much more than
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that because the students are measuring
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how much longer they can play outside
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without running in for water or taking
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shade breaks and the community is
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measuring the reduction in heat related
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emergency room visits so our students
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get to see firsthand the human impacts
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of environmentally conscious design
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which is really what we want for them to
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be immersed in this healthy environment
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that has a positive impact on the world
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around them so today we're grateful to
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have this opportunity to share some of
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the research with these schools and the
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design community and hopefully Inspire
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some teams to consider how cool
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Pavements and cool roofs can be
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leveraged for inspired design that can
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not only be visually creative but also
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contribute to a positive impact in new
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and existing schools right yeah there
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there's just to to go maybe even a a
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level deeper into that you when we look
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at I always like to say when you look at
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a satellite image of an urban center you
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see
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two primary objects you see roofs and
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you see roads and one of the areas of
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focus that we have is really focused on
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when we're looking at roofs how can we
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increase the
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reflectivity of that surface that
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actually does a number of things that
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actually reflects that that light that
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that keeps it um from penetrating that
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that heat energy that that kind of
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radiates down into the building and
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increases the Energy Efficiency of the
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structure which certainly helps schools
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and and buildings and homes but then ALS
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ultimately and and what we're going to
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talk a little bit more about today is
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kind of on those hard surfaces on the
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ground on those playgrounds uh on those
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roads when we can increase the
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reflectivity and not necessarily by
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lightening Sur surfaces by really
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focusing on bringing technology that
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addresses um that infrared radiation
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heat that does not impact thermal
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Comfort um we can actually see
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significant improvements to gen's point
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not just at the surface temperature
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level but but also at the ambient air
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level and and there's some great
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research new research that's just come
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out um that we've been a part of over
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the last couple of years that really
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demonstrates
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this and I got to assume that has such a
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significant positive impact in so many
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layers in a community or in a school
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itself right it does absolutely because
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you know when when you can reduce the
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the surface level of that temperature
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what we saw in our research by on
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average on Sunny Days by 10 degrees and
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then ambient temperatures by upwards of
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three and a half degrees you know that's
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going to Prov provide an environment
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where kids can can can learn through
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play and then actually activate their
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bodies and bring that back in and
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there's great research out there that
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demonstrates an active body and active
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mind has has positive uh academic um
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outcomes associated with it absolutely
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Jeff I'd love to share a little bit
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about the CAE School effort because that
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really um brought the students um into
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the the the the challenge that the
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school was facing and they brought them
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into the solution and how they even wo
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all of these efforts into the
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curriculum yeah the sa school is a is an
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incredible institution down in Atlanta
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Georgia we've been partnering with them
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for a couple of years now um really the
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foundation of their their program and
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their curriculum is sustainability at
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its core um it's a it's an awesomely
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environmentally performing building in
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every aspect of it um so what we started
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to do a couple of years ago when we
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worked with them is we we we engage with
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them to understand their hard spaces
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outside of the building and then kind of
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as as you all know in Atlanta the
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southern part of our our country
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especially over the last number of years
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we've had extreme heat um so we we
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really partnered with them uh looked at
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their entire playground area and said
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okay how can we bring this Dura Shield
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solar reflective pavement coating um and
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and use it in a way that that does a
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couple of things that improves the
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performance uh from a cooling and
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heating perspective increases actually
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the maintenance cycle of of that
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property at the same time but then
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because we can we can mix upwards of 54
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different colors in this in this
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material
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um we can make an activated play center
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where they can where the kids actually
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came in and helped design and ultimately
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uh created and helped to apply the
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coding to the whole Outdoor Center uh
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space as well yeah just just be careful
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with the child labor laws
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right we actually that is really pretty
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special right because you're yeah you
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were there too yeah but yeah the way you
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can engage kids in in in understanding
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the impact of this and the more our
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Urban centers grow and they are growing
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the more they grow what I what I see is
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this need to figure out ways in which to
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reduce the the heat impact so that our
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kids can enjoy that outdoor environment
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and can be engaged in that environment
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for a longer period of time and so I
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think that's really powerful now if a
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district wanted to engage in this work
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and because that's where our focus is
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even though you've done a lot of work
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with communities as well but if a
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district want to engage in this work
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what would be some of those kind of what
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I would call opportunities or
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predictable positive outcomes and you
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kind of said a little bit but if you
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want to expand on it sure that they'd
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want to make certain they communicate in
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other words as they're getting ready to
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do this work they want to communicate to
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parents and kids and to their internal
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staff this is why we're doing this what
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would be some of that that you'd want to
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make sure they
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communicated yeah I think first and
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foremost David to your to that point to
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that question is um we can help create
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kind of hard spaces is to actually be
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much cooler and safer for them um
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because of that cooling one you know
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when you get extreme Heats upwards over
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85 90 degrees you're going to see those
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surface levels increase in temperature
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that increases um kind of burns
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potentially um ultimately these
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applications this this pavement cating
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solar reflective pavement coating
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actually reduces the surface level of
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that temperature through the research
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that's now been done out there as well
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we can see up to the 6 foot point or 2
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meter Mark that we're actually able to
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reduce ambient air temperatures on
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average by about 2.1 degrees Fahrenheit
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and on Extreme Hot days upwards to 3 and
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a half degrees Fahrenheit and and that's
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that may not sound like a lot but that's
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a significant kind of uh cooling
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implication associated with just
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addressing kind of the the pavement that
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that's under their feet um you know
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we've had a lot of incredibly
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quantitative um or qualitative uh inputs
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from from community members and and and
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schools where we've we've uh used this
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technology to to help improve uh the
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playgrounds basketball courts uh tennis
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courts uh the whole area in which we've
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applied these codings in the past I
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think the other benefit that municip I
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gotta imagine sorry oh yeah I was saying
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the other benefit associated with this
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David is you know at the at the the
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school and at the municipal level
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is it doesn't just benefit the kids it
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actually because it helps to cool the
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surface and bonds with the surface it
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actually maintains the the lifetime of
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the substrate of that longer so it it
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allows municipalities to to let their
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dollars work a little bit harder for
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them and longer for them so they're not
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having to deal with maintenance
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situations on those on those uh hard
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spaces uh as frequently nice and and I
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got to imagine when you do this in
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tandem with trees and grass surfaces and
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and then you add this as a component to
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that on your hard surfaces you're having
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even a larger impact on that that
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totality of uh heat um uh reduction so I
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I got to imagine that's a real positive
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impact well and then you layer on a cool
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roof with it as well and now you've got
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all the horizontal surface
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um contributing to a a cooler
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environment as well or you know putting
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those grasses up on the roof and
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creating that that Garden roof space
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that's right and and some folks are
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starting to do that right and so they're
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just these are layered Concepts I guess
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is the point right it's like you know
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sometimes people want to look for a
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single singular solution it's like no
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they there are layers to this um and I I
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think that's really important as part of
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the communication that's right that's
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such an important point you know just
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like we look at a building as a
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system we look at outdoor spaces as a
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system as well we are as big a
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proponents of of increasing green
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spacing and and tree cover and shading
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as much as anything we also recognize
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there are hard surfaces that our schools
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and our communities have today we need
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to find solutions for that as well so
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this is entirely about what is the full
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toolkit available to municipalities
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and to institutions to to Really draw
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from and utilize to provide the most
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livable and and best performing
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environment for uh for the kids and for
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the community members that are a part of
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those spaces yeah great message Jeff and
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and Jennifer now if there's a district
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that you would want to highlight as
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doing some remarkable work and maybe you
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want to highlight a community because I
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I know you're doing some but I'll let
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you choose in this area that uh what I
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want to do is be able to uh pinpoint
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that for our audience uh District
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leaders to be able to go and and see who
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would that be so I who I would recommend
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right out of the gate would be the
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incredible work that the LA Unified
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School District has been doing we've
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been working with them
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for I don't know six to eight years
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we've helped to bring uh cool surfaces
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to more than 80 schools in the LA uh
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Unified School District
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um we've done tremendous kind of broader
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Community um covering if you will with
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solar reflective pavement Coatings and
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technology that have included schools in
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Pima California there's a large 18
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square block initiative that has taken
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place it's called the cool cool
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Community pcoa project that that really
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is focused on um and has been the
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foundation of a lot of the research that
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we've talked about here this morning um
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but
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ultimately schools are such a notal
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point of community um the focus on
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schools and how to improve schools is so
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critically important to us um and the LA
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Unified School District is doing so many
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incredibly important work as it relates
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to Pavement coding solar reflected
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pavement coding two green spacing two
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shading um they're really a great model
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um
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district and talk about a location that
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has a significant amount of heat to
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overcome so that's right you know we
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look in in the you know atlantas and
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Texas and you know these uh Arizona
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where we've got these really um intense
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pockets of of that southern heat and
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exposure um you don't need to be in an
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urban dense urban area to really see the
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benefits of these um cool pavement
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products right and what are some of the
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stories Jennifer that you have heard or
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Jeff you've heard related to this and
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that's kind of the anecdotal thing right
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it's kind of its impact on students is
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there a story or two you might want to
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quickly
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share yeah I I'll touch on one real
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quickly it's it's this I I mentioned
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Paca here in California um we were
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talking with the the parks and wreck uh
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head in in Paca California where they
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where they use um kind of the school and
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the play ground right next to the school
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is a part
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of um kind of leagues that they put on
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you know which
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typically is very small in the summer
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because the heat is so extreme out here
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and since we've been able to kind of
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bring this technology to the community
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they've been able to increase their
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their league participation throughout
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the summer because they can actually
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play games outside um so this is
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something that was shared with us last
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summer I was like you know that that's
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fantastic you know it's a unintended
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consequence and and benefit associated
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with kind of activating more people in
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the community creating spaces that allow
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more people to come together and and
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cultivate and build that community and
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doing it in a safe way right isn't that
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amazing I mean as as a business model
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you're just simply trying to find ways
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to reduce the heat presence right yeah
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in in people's lives but the the impact
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of that is always uh uh unique and and
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Community obviously is is a part of that
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so that's that's really special now we
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we we don't have much more time but is
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there anything you'd like to add that we
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haven't had a chance to talk about here
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I would just make sure uh to take a look
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at some of the photos of of these
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because it's really hard to explain you
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think cool pavement Coatings gosh why
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would I paint my streets white that
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would be really glaring and distracting
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but but we have a whole spectrum of
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colors like even the
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black when when when they coated um
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worked in that neighborhood in Paca that
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18 square block the streets were coated
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with with that solar black solar
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reflectant pavement like it looks like
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the road you would never know but it's a
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dramatic temperature difference and
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there's this full palette of colors so
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when you look at where the playground
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started and where it finished um gosh
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the the logos the local artists the
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creativity that the students could bring
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in there it really just
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revitalized uh the space and it made the
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kids excited to go outside and to be
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outside and to engage um so it just be
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inspired by the options and don't don't
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kind of you know think that a cool a
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cool pavement coating needs to be white
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and reflective because that's couldn't
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be forur the so you could do your school
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colors right you do your school colors
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absolutely there you go that's pretty
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neat um and so if a district was really
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interested in engaging that maybe seeing
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some of that what's the website they
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would go to to see some of those
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pictures
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pictures our pavment coding Technologies
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I think one thing Jen said incredibly
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well there was not all pavement coding
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Technologies are the same you know when
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you can essentially build into the
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formula of a pavement coding a a bonding
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kind of material that doesn't lay on top
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of the surface actually in in interacts
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with that surface and the technology in
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itself helps to reduce that long wave
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infrared light or or radiation light it
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it's it's not just about reducing kind
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of the
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or decreasing the color of the surface
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uh it's really about kind of interacting
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kind of with that beyond the visible
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life um situation
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so and extending the life of the
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pavement codings which Jeff touched on
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but to just to put it in perspective um
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those pavement Coatings are used in New
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York City for the bike lanes and the bus
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lanes so talk about durability and
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really heavy traffic loads way more than
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we would see at a school so expect this
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coding to really um help extend the life
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expectancy of the horizontal services at
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the school that is so so important to
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hear and note as you're doing
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construction or anything you're doing
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with with surfaces now if they wanted to
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be able to contact you for this deeper
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conversation uh what what is that
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contact
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information so if you're looking for um
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the I think the building science team is
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building science gf.com and uh we can
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help you out with that and
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sustainability you guys have a a
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different email address as well it's
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it's a sustainability gf.com all right
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wonderful all right well I want to thank
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you both for being a part of this
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important work of supporting our
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students in schools and I want to thank
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you for your participation in learn
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